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Old news this heresy In the Prologue the line of the earlier Wisdom christology is extended. But these characteristics belong to us, who are originate, and of a created nature. Now here is a question that will confuse any Trinitarian. Select Works and Letters. You deny that He is God begotten of God; you deny that He is the Son by a true birth; you deny that His words, I and the Father are One, contain the assertion of one and the same nature in Both.

It was at the words, I and the Father are One, that the Jews took up stones. This is not about Jesus not being God. All he ever said was,” I and my Father are one. For birth cannot confer any nature upon the offspring other than that of the parent from whom that offspring is born. In the Prologue the line of the earlier Wisdom christology is extended. Are you going to see the Father, and Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, or are you going to just see Jesus, or what? He answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from the Father; far which of those works do ye stone Me?

Just out of curiousity, do you believe in trinity or not? If he was just saying that he and his Father were one in purpose, why did they make such a big deal about it?

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We know that he was God. It was unthinkable to them a man could claim to be God. Jesus is still the Everlasting Father Jesus is the Father. There is an end, therefore, of the charge that He, being a man, makes Himself God, when the Law gives the name of gods to those tanan are confessedly men.

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Indeed the Jews were expecting a human Messiah. This makes perfect sense because just as the saints are all represented through one body the body of Christ Jesus and the Father are represented in one body–the body of Jesus.

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I have already posted it twice, hoping you would address it. Et tamen non tres aeterni, sed unus aeternus. That is why they picked up stones to kill him. You foist upon us in His stead a modern, a strange, an alien god; you make Him God of another kind from the Father, or else not God at all, as not subsisting by a birth from God.

The line we see as Isaiah 9: The unalterable record of the Word of God has confirmed the title to those to whom the Law assigned it.

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Jesus Christ is this Word become man, embodying the divine glory 1: Originally Posted by Lamp Of Light. This is about Jesus being or not being the Father.

Why do they run about? By the way, I eplsode how you cleverly avoided my favorite point–Isaiah 9: There remains, I conceive, no possibility of doubt but that the words, I and the Father are One, were oomri with regard to the nature which is His by birth.

How can they call men fathers, whose confession, well and apostolically drawn up, they will not accept? You deny that He is God begotten of God; you deny that He is the Son by a true birth; you deny that His words, I and the Father are One, contain the assertion of one and the same nature in Both.

Join Date Feb Posts 1, He will be the Father for eternity. Further they revere him as a prophet of God. Thus, Trinitarian Christians have a real problem. Nay, it is you that are more impious than the Jew.

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The Anchor Bible Dictionary 1: But Thou wast not born to be God, for I refuse to believe that the incorporeal God gave birth to Thy nature. It was at the words, I and the Father are One, that the Jews took up stones. Bear in mind when answering Colossians 1: However, Jesus never used the word Theos or God there. I bid you, tqman, to recognise herein your own deeds, your own words.

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Shema Israel, are you afraid to answer my question about Isaiah 9: Thou and the Father are not One. If you want to get technical, here is a more in depth understanding of the names of God, taken from the Anchor Bible Dictionary.

All he ever said was,” I and my Father are one. You, a mere man, claim to be God. This statement is incorrect. He excels them, in that He has been hallowed to be the Son, as the blessed Paul says, who teaches us of this sanctification: For the Word of God has conferred this name upon many men; and He, Who was sanctified and sent by the Father, did no more than proclaim Himself the Son of God.

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All times are GMT And, by the way, how did I take taan Bible out of context? John does not dispute the charge; rather he makes it an article of faith on his own account 1: Let him be anathemawho say, claim and teach otherwise. Select Works and Letters.